tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post7919326767359899967..comments2023-10-31T14:44:05.872+00:00Comments on Not the same stream: What is not being said about the Covenant?Paul Bagshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-70173749154452737692012-03-06T22:35:37.835+00:002012-03-06T22:35:37.835+00:00Perry,
You are entirely right. Earlier generations...Perry,<br />You are entirely right. Earlier generations were quite comfortable with a less centralised Communion.<br /><br />Of course, there were problems. I think (from memory) it was the 1948 Lambeth that decided not to recognise the United Church of South India on the grounds that not all its ministers were episcopally consecrated. When the Province of South Africa did enter into communion with them it began an era of 'impaired communion' that has continued since then - albeit that the ground of difference has moved from episcopal ordination to the place of women to the presence of gay and partnered clergy. <br /><br />But we all muddled on well enough and left the detail to the lawyers. It didn't stop personal, diocesan, provincial and lots of other links. And I can't see how preferring uniformity over unity-in-diversity is going to suit anyone.Paul Bagshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-9414347805917782892012-03-05T11:26:55.861+00:002012-03-05T11:26:55.861+00:00Perhaps we need to go back to Lambeth 1948 which s...Perhaps we need to go back to Lambeth 1948 which stressed the provisionality of the Anglican communion and fore-saw its ultimate disappearance..into United Churches on the S or N India model?;perhaps...and ask whether the centralising trends since the late 1950's were the right way forward.Ecumenical progress at an institutional level has not been what was expected it is true, though significant progress has been made with the Lutherans..but it remains unclear to me that trying to create a world-wide Anglican Church is the answer.The RC Church has to some extent egged us on in this venture..but since movement on the RC front has now stalled with Rome following a policy of retrenchment why not have a profound re-think as to what the vocation of the Anglican Communion actually is and what future it might have.<br /><br />Perry Butler, Canterbury UKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-52936515402865605962012-03-05T01:32:45.277+00:002012-03-05T01:32:45.277+00:00Just once, before the entire covenant process is o...Just once, before the entire covenant process is over, I'd like to see a well-reasoned argument by a proponent of adoption of the covenant based on the contents of the document itself. I'd wish to see the most compelling words within the text itself used for the purposes of persuasion. It's long been a mystery to me why the defenders of the covenant so seldom quote the document. Those of us with doubts as to whether the covenant is the solution to the disagreements in the Anglican Communion make frequent use of the of the text itself in our arguments against adoption.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-12236330869241385902012-03-05T00:34:45.865+00:002012-03-05T00:34:45.865+00:00Well said, Paul, as usual.
What the bishops are d...Well said, Paul, as usual.<br /><br />What the bishops are defending is not the Covenant as it is, but the idea of a Covenant as a symbol of commitment to the Communion and loyalty to the Archbishop of Canterbury. I continue to wish that they would address the actual document on the table. In vain, I fear.Alan T Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11700037716579004059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-42768892131437543612012-03-04T22:34:29.263+00:002012-03-04T22:34:29.263+00:00Bless you for your continued efforts to clear away...Bless you for your continued efforts to clear away the smoke-screen. It still amazes me that those who speak these words do not see the inner contradictions between "absolutely essential" and "makes no new demands." Fortunately, many folks can see through this haze -- but your help is crucial, as the lulling siren song of bishops can cloud ones senses...Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-32856555673735650612012-03-04T17:46:03.978+00:002012-03-04T17:46:03.978+00:00I sometimes wonder how some of these bishops ever ...I sometimes wonder how some of these bishops ever got to be appointed. Words fail to describe them but naive springs to mind.Concerned Anglicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07428294874876279091noreply@blogger.com