tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post8087274416552479651..comments2023-10-31T14:44:05.872+00:00Comments on Not the same stream: The Covenant in (some) other ProvincesPaul Bagshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-24160325294682839282012-04-16T09:12:17.760+01:002012-04-16T09:12:17.760+01:00Observer, thank you for your comment. You are, of ...Observer, thank you for your comment. You are, of course, right about Henry and Elizabeth: my point was that they would be unlikely to endorse the subservience of the Church of England to Rome, not to seek to co-opt them as proto- liberal democrats.<br /><br />Furthermore I guess they would be disdainful of the Covenant process as an attempt at realpolitik with no possibility of enforcement in the (predictable) absence of assent.Paul Bagshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-70393482647839081132012-04-15T23:44:26.308+01:002012-04-15T23:44:26.308+01:00Regarding the section on the Milbank article. It&#...Regarding the section on the Milbank article. It's a bit of an eye opener but we shouldn't be surprised. It's what all that 'papal ring kissing' that Rowan Williams was prone to do was about.<br /><br />The Williams' 'take' on Anglicanism is the old fashioned Anglo Catholic one that the C of E and latterly the Anglican Communion are but a temporarily separated branch ultimately accountable to the Latin Patriarchy. In this view the Papacy comprises the universal pastorate and Anglicanism's vocation is to move steadily back under its wing, being a bit naughty on the way, what with women in holy orders, etc. <br /><br />ARCIC in its various manifestations has followed a similar line where the most fundamental Reformation principles have been almost magically put to one side or mutated into agreeable Roman ones.<br /><br />Hence it is perfectly plausible to concede that from Williams' point of view the Covenant has been part of that larger ongoing process. <br /><br />However, for those who do not see the vocation of Anglicanism as an ever centralising one and who value what has emerged from a long-drawn-out post Reformation evolution, the failure of the Covenant in England is a good thing. This English result may well also have a positive influence (to reject the Covenant) on the other autonomous Provinces of the Communion. <br /><br />I guess that as Paul has implied Henry VIII and Elizabeth wouldn't have been very keen on the Covenant either, they preferred another less subtle kind of autocracy!observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16994141803910408214noreply@blogger.com