tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post450265048452502175..comments2023-10-31T14:44:05.872+00:00Comments on Not the same stream: 'effective and forceful'Paul Bagshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-78193864000020404752010-11-27T22:44:01.196+00:002010-11-27T22:44:01.196+00:00Paul, the AC is looking less like a church with ev...Paul, the AC is looking less like a church with every day that passes. I suppose Rowan is using the placing-facts-on-the-ground strategy. If you say something is so enough times, then it will come to be so.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-18950533153502900952010-11-27T22:33:17.480+00:002010-11-27T22:33:17.480+00:00You are right, Grandmère.
But: one of the conse...You are right, Grandmère. <br /><br />But: one of the consequences of the debate about the Covenant since 2004 has been the normalisation of the idea that the Communion is <b>a</b> Church. I suspect that even if the Covenant is dropped tomorrow that shift in thinking will remain.Paul Bagshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-67784672110498512212010-11-27T21:58:44.037+00:002010-11-27T21:58:44.037+00:00There is still a lot to play for, let's wait a...There is still a lot to play for, let's wait and see. If we do get the Covenant, we constantly remind of the assurances that were given, it that it was "not envisaged as an instrument of discipline" and that it would facilitate dialogue. And we need dialogue, real dialogue more than ever.Suemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128736092253293640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-27285763668044533802010-11-27T19:40:58.647+00:002010-11-27T19:40:58.647+00:00When Rowan or anyone else refers to the Anglican C...When Rowan or anyone else refers to the Anglican Communion as "a church", it makes me wild and crazy. The AC is not a church! If it is a church, then it is not a church I want to be a part of.<br /><br /><i>Those Churches that were prepared to take this on as an expression of their responsibility to each other would limit their local freedoms for the sake of a wider witness; and some might not be willing to do this.</i><br /><br />And what kind of wider witness? A witness of exclusion and injustice? No thank you.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-83983257823818978502010-11-27T16:00:15.712+00:002010-11-27T16:00:15.712+00:00It'll actually be a three tier of is that '...It'll actually be a three tier of is that 'tear' Communion if the Covenant is passed. Those who will sign (out of loyalty to Canterbury) , those who won't (Gafcon et al) and those who can't (TEC and perhaps Provinces like Brazil).<br /><br />Conservatives are declaring 'broken and impaired' communion all the time but without a formal Covenant that doesn't mean very much and we are all technically and in practice still in communion with each other and Canterbury. <br /><br />We can kiss and make up later as time heals - but the Covenant will set irrecoverable boundaries and formalise schism.<br /><br />For the sake of the Communion we all know and love - drop the idea.penwatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04363809450765158672noreply@blogger.com