tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post1078651571736224161..comments2023-10-31T14:44:05.872+00:00Comments on Not the same stream: Has the tide turned?Paul Bagshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-48172886625871266922009-03-17T07:55:00.000+00:002009-03-17T07:55:00.000+00:00Well, alright, I'm chastened. I'm merely trying t...Well, alright, I'm chastened. I'm merely trying to extrapolate from what I seen now in the absence of parallels from Anglicanism's brief history.<BR/><BR/>I certainly take your point about provinces following their Primate in much of Africa - though (for that reason) I also see successors being chosen to follow the line of the person who appointed them. But then I grant you that, once in post, they often need to define themselves against their predecessor, such are the vicissitudes of history.<BR/><BR/>Only I'm not convinced it will be business as usual when the dust has settled. <BR/><BR/>Of course, the only way of knowing is to wait till we get there - and the great advantage of predictions is that everyone forgets the duff ones very quickly.Paul Bagshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-68856449224000701362009-03-16T22:57:00.000+00:002009-03-16T22:57:00.000+00:00NTSS you're overplaying this one & I don&#...NTSS you're overplaying this one & I don't think this is what will happen. We have already got the picture that there is a disparate group of so-called traditional Anglicans in North America that will soon harden into yet another fissiparious denomination in a nation where competitive congregationalism is the norm.<BR/><BR/>As for the Equatorial African Provinces it will depend entirely on who is Archbishop at the time and how much more money the schismatic Americans can afford to pour into Africa to keep them on message.<BR/><BR/>Forget Sydney,it's always going to be the odd one out and the Southern Cone only has 16,000 real members and is merely a temporary flag of convenience. <BR/><BR/>It other words the Anglican Communion will reassert itself within a decade (especially once poor old Rowan Williams goes) and academics will study this period and give it a name for the history books.penwatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04363809450765158672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-58315986535031096552009-03-16T16:37:00.000+00:002009-03-16T16:37:00.000+00:00You may well be right, this is no more than guess-...You may well be right, this is no more than guess-work.<BR/><BR/>I put all the extra-provincials in the middle, and I reckon the weakest will probably stay in the middle (even if some lean towards TEC and other towards GAFCON), and the pull of history is strong.<BR/><BR/>The consecration of women as bishops will change things, but mostly, I think, to reinforce the antagonism of those who don't like us anyway.<BR/><BR/>Where would you put the lines, if you'd draw any at all?Paul Bagshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17694279608748668806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5108550303571033600.post-32297294375645522472009-03-16T13:15:00.000+00:002009-03-16T13:15:00.000+00:00I think your middling group is too large: there ar...I think your middling group is too large: there are stronger links to TEC and indeed Canada than this. The whole thing is so divisive that a middle position will be small. The C of E ordaining women bishops will shift anyway.<BR/><BR/>We have the Archbishop of Canterbury going to the TEC General Convention. If they decided to end the moratoria (against why he's going) then it is a turning of the tide, but otherwise it is more of the strains and stresses of the present, that allows someone like Akinola to compromise others as he parades himself.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.com